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【Re0】关于刻画历史的群星考究

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「都是星星的错」。
这就是,背叛『魔女』的期待,让太阳沉落的愚蠢之星的名字。
这是一份关于刻画历史的群星的考究。
制作这份星图的人叫做弗雷德里克·德·威特。正好,Frederik 这个和 女仆长弗雷德莉卡,Frederica,是源自同一个古德语。在我之前的考究里,Frederik 作为小行星的编号是 538 Frederik.


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    我把以往未考究进星星的拉姆和贝蒂,作为星星考虑进去了。当然这部分是仁者见仁智者见智。你当然可以不认同。拉姆的星星来源是 Aries,白羊座。贝蒂的星星来源,参宿五,猎户座γ,Bellatrix。
    资料主要是两本书,分别是,曼尼里乌斯五卷本的《ASTRONOMICA》和阿拉托斯的《PHAENOMENA》。
    两书中文译名挺多的,分别是《星经》和《天象》
    曼尼里乌斯,古罗马诗人之一,生平不详。著有五卷本的说教诗作《星经》。
    阿拉托斯,古希腊最具名望的诗人之一,以长诗《天象》传世,该诗对研究古代的天文学、气象学具有极大价值。
    在两本书互相对照的情况下,我以这些词作为资料查找的关键词,Orion,Ram,Cassiepeia等。


    IP属地:四川2楼2026-04-05 02:58
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      ASTRONOMICA, 2.
      Now learn how the parts of the human frame are distributed among the constellations, and how the limbs are subject each to a particular authority: over these limbs, out of all the parts of the body, the signs exercise special influence. The Ram as chieftain of them all is allotted the head, and the Bull receives as of his estate the handsome neck ; evenly bestowed,a the arms to shoulders joined are accounted to the Twins ; the breast is put down to the Crab, the realm of the sides and the shoulder blades are the Lion's, the belly comes down to the Maid as her rightful lot ; the Balance governs the loins, and Scorpion takes pleasure in the groin ; the thighs hie to the Centaur, Capricorn is tyrant of both knees, whilst the pouring W aterman has the lordship of the shanks, and over the feet the Fishes claim jurisdiction.
      现在且看人体各部是如何分配给诸星宫的,以及肢体各处又是如何分别受制于特定的【权能】:在身体所有部位中,十二宫对这些肢体行使着特殊的影响力。
      作为众宫之首的白羊(The Ram)获封头部;金牛(The Bull)在其领地内领受了那健美的颈项;双臂连同肩胛被平分给了双子(The Twins);胸部归于巨蟹(The Crab);两侧与肩胛骨的领域属于狮子(The Lion);腹部则是作为合法份额传给了处女(The Maid);天秤(The Balance)掌管腰部;天蝎(Scorpion)在腹股沟处寻得欢愉;大腿奔向人马(The Centaur);摩羯(Capricorn)是双膝的暴君;而那倾水的水瓶(Waterman)拥有小腿的主权;最后,双鱼(The Fishes)对双脚主张管辖权。
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      原文用的就是英文re0关于权能的翻译=【authority】。


      IP属地:四川4楼2026-04-05 03:03
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        Who could discern and compass in his narrow mind the vastness of this vaulted infinite, the dances of the stars, the blazing dome of heaven, and the planets' everlasting war against the signs,b had not nature endowed our minds with divine vision, had turned to herself a kindred intelligence, and had prescribed so great a science ? Who, unless there came from heaven a power which calls us heavenward to the sacred fellowship of nature ? Who could deny the sacrilege of grasping an unwilling heaven, enslaving it, as it were, in its own domain, and fetching it to earth ? But, lest it take a long digression to vouch for what is plain to see, the faith it keeps c will create for our science authority and faith in it ; for neither does our system deceive nor ever is deceived. Rightly and for true reasons trusted is the path that one must take, and the outcome follows even as before foretold. What Fortune has confirmed, what man would dare call false, gainsaying the casting of so great a vote ?
        谁能凭其狭隘的心智,去辨识并涵盖这穹顶无限的浩瀚、群星的律动、天国燃烧的圆顶,以及行星对黄道十二宫永恒的抗争?除非自然赋予了我们心智以神圣的洞察力,将相似的智慧转向她自身,并规定了如此伟大的科学。若非那来自上天的力量将我们召唤至天国,去参与自然的圣洁团契,谁又能做到这一点?若要强行攫取那并非心甘情愿的上天,将其奴役在它自己的领域,并将其引向大地,谁能否定这种行为的亵渎?但是,为了不因担保那些显而易见的事实而陷入冗长的题外话,这门科学所坚守的信念将为其自身创造权威与信任;因为我们的体系既不欺人,也从未被蒙蔽。人们必须踏上的路径是因正确且真实的理由而被信赖的,其结果亦如预言那般随之而来。当命运已然证实,面对如此重大的表决,谁又敢反驳,将其称为谬误?
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        这段我觉得写的很好而已,重点落脚在【当命运已然证实,面对如此重大的表决,谁又敢反驳,将其称为谬误?】


        IP属地:四川5楼2026-04-05 03:04
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          ASTRONOMICA, 4.
          310Now shall I tell which signs are joined to which, and in what sequence, lest the influences which others exercise in signs foreign to them go unperceived. The Ram claims his first decan for himself, the second portion falls to the Bull, the third decan to the Twins.
          现在我将说明哪些星宫与哪些部分相连,以及按照何种顺序,以免他人对他宫行使的影响力未被察觉。白羊(The Ram)为自己主张第一分度(decan),第二部分归于金牛(The Bull),第三分度则归于双子(The Twins)。
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          每一个黄道星座占据 30度。一个 Decan 是将这30度平均分成三等份,每一份为 10度。由于黄道共有 12 个星座,每个星座有 3 个十分度,因此全天黄道总共有 36 个十分度。
          白羊的第一分度给自己,第二分度给金牛,第三分度给双子。


          IP属地:四川6楼2026-04-05 03:05
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            The Balance has the pleasure of a precedent, and imitates the Ram, who though at the opposite season agrees with it in fixing equal hours of day and night : the Ram regulates the scales of spring, while the Balance matches autumn's nights with autumn's days. It yields its first decan to none, and hands the adjoining one to the sign which follows it; the last third belongs to the Centaur. The Scorpion has installed Capricorn in the first decan ; has made the man named after water the lord of the second ; and has willed that its last degrees be subject to the Fishes.
            天秤座(The Balance)享有先例之乐,并效仿白羊座(The Ram);尽管二者处于相反的季节,但在固定昼夜平分这一点上是一致的:白羊调节着春天的天平,而天秤使秋天的黑夜与白天的长度相匹配。它不将第一分度(decan)让给任何人,并将相邻的一分度交给随后的星宫;最后的三分之一则属于人马(The Centaur)。天蝎座(The Scorpion)将摩羯座(Capricorn)安置在第一分度;让那以水命名的人(水瓶)成为第二分度的主人;并规定其最后的度数受制于双鱼座(The Fishes)。
            Now he who with bow-string tensed ever threatens to let fly his shaft surrenders his first degrees to the Ram in accordance with the trigon's pact, the midmost to the Bull, and the last to the Twins.
            至于那位始终拉紧弓弦、威胁要射出箭矢的人,则根据三分相的契约,将其前几度让给白羊,中间部分让给金牛,最后的部分则归于双子。
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            白羊(Ram)+金牛+双子,算是能联想到re0中的好几个主线人物,这个拉弓之人按上文来说是半人马座。


            IP属地:四川7楼2026-04-05 03:06
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              ASTRONOMICA, 5
              When the zodiac releases the Ram's last degree, which thus displays the whole of him to the earth, plucking him from Ocean's waves, there rises the Olenian goat,
              当黄道释放了白羊座(The Ram)的最后一度,使其全身向大地显现,并将其从大洋的波涛中拔擢而出时,奥勒诺斯的母羊(Olenian goat)便升起了。
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              奥勒诺斯的母羊 = Capella,卡佩拉。白羊(Ram)的最后一度紧接卡佩拉。


              IP属地:四川8楼2026-04-05 03:10
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                以下及其之后是《PHAENOMENA》的内容:
                There too are the most swift courses of the Ram [Aries], who, pursued through the longest circuit, runs not a whit slower than the Bear Cynosura – himself weak and starless as on a moonlit night, but yet by the belt of Andromeda thou canst trace him out. For a little below her is he set. Midway he treads the mighty heavens, where wheel the tips of the Scorpion’s Claws and the Belt of Orion.
                在那儿亦有白羊(Ram\Aries)那极速的航道,尽管他在最长的路径中被追逐,其奔跑的速度却丝毫不逊于小熊座(Bear Cynosura)——他自身微弱且暗淡,如同在月明之夜那般,但你仍能凭借仙女座(Andromeda)的腰带来寻获他。因为他正被安置在仙女座稍下方的位置。他在巨大的天穹中心穿行,而那儿正是天蝎之螯(Scorpion’s Claws)的尖端与猎户座腰带(Belt of Orion)回旋之处。
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                《PHAENOMENA》中描写Ram的句子。


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                  The Pleiades, all in a cluster, but small is the space that holds them and singly they dimly shine. Seven are they in the songs of men, albeit only six are visible to the eyes. Yet not a star, I ween, has perished from the sky unmarked since the earliest memory of man, but even so the tale is told. Those seven are called by name Halcyone, Merope, Celaeno, Electra, Sterope, Taygete, and queenly Maia. Small and dim are they all alike, but widely famed they wheel in heaven at morn and eventide, by the will of Zeus, who bade them tell of the beginning of Summer and Winter and of the coming of the ploughing-time.
                  昴星团(Pleiades),它们聚集成簇,但占据的空间极小,且单颗星光芒暗淡。尽管在人类的歌咏中它们被称为“七姐妹”,但肉眼可见的仅有六颗。然而,我认为自人类最早的记忆以来,天空中没有任何一颗星会在不被察觉的情况下陨灭,即便如此,那个传说依然流传着。这七颗星的名字分别是:阿尔库俄涅(Halcyone)、墨洛珀(Merope)、刻莱诺(Celaeno)、厄勒克特拉(Electra)、斯忒罗珀(Sterope)、塔宇革忒(Taygete)以及高贵的迈亚(Maia)。它们同样渺小且暗淡,却由于宙斯的旨意而在天际广为人知地于清晨和黄昏回旋;宙斯命令它们预告夏季与冬季的开端,以及耕作时节的到来。
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                  《PHAENOMENA》中描写昴星团的句子。


                  IP属地:四川11楼2026-04-05 03:17
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                    The head of Andromeda is setting and against her is brought by the misty South the mighty terror, Cetus, but over against him in the North Cepheus with mighty hand upraised warns him back
                    仙女座(Andromeda)的头部正在落下,来自迷雾笼罩的南方带来了强大的可怖巨兽,鲸鱼座;但在其对面的北极方向,仙王座(Cepheus)高举起有力的手,正以此警告并将其喝退。
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                    迷雾+鲸鱼 , 莱伊·巴登凯托斯,书里并未出现巴登凯托斯的名字。


                    IP属地:四川12楼2026-04-05 03:19
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                      The winding River will straightway sink in fair flowing ocean at the coming of Scorpion [Scorpio], whose rising puts to flight even the mighty Orion. Thy pardon, Artemis, we crave! There is a tale told by the men of old, who said that stout Orion laid hands upon her robe, what time in Chios he was smiting with his strong club all manner of beasts, as a service of the hunt to that King Oenopion. But she forthwith rent in twain the surrounding hills of the island and roused up against him another kind of beast – even the Scorpion, who proving mightier wounded him, mighty though he was, and slew him, for that he had vexed Artemis. Wherefore, too, men say that at the rising of the Scorpion in the East Orion flees at the Western verge. Nor does what was left of Andromeda and of Cetus fail to mark his rise but in full career they too flee. In that hour the belt of Cepheus grazes earth as he dips his upper parts in the sea, but the rest he may not – his feet and knees and loins, for the Bears themselves forbid. The hapless Cassiepeia herself too hastes after the figure of her child. No longer in seemly wise does she shine upon her throne, feet and knees withal, but she headlong plunges like a diver, parted at the knees; for not scatheless was she to rival Doris and Panope. So she is borne towards the West, but other signs in the East the vault of heaven brings from below, the remaining half of the Crown and the tail of the Hydra, and uplifts the body and head of the Centaur and the Beast that the Centaur holds in his right hand. But the fore-feet of the Centaur-Knight await the rising of the Bow.


                      IP属地:四川13楼2026-04-05 03:21
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                        在天蝎(The Scorpion)到来时,蜿蜒的大河便会立刻沉入流水平稳的大洋,天蝎的升起甚至会让强大的俄里翁(The Orion)仓皇逃窜。阿耳忒弥斯(Artemis)啊,我们恳求您的宽恕!古人曾有传闻,说那强壮的俄里翁在基奥斯岛(Chios)为了效力于国王俄诺皮翁(Oenopion)而用他的重型木棒击杀各类野兽时,曾伸手触碰了她的长袍。于是她立刻裂开了岛上环绕的山峦,并唤起另一种野兽来对抗他——即那只天蝎(The Scorpion)。天蝎证明了自己更为强大,刺伤并杀死了强悍的俄里翁,因为他冒犯了阿耳忒弥斯。因此,人们也说,当天蝎从东方升起时,俄里翁便在西方边缘逃离。仙女座(The Andromeda)和鲸鱼座(The Cetus)的残余部分也未能在天蝎升起时逃脱,它们在全速奔跑中一同遁去。在那一刻,仙王座(The Cepheus)的腰带掠过地面,他的上半身沉入海中,但其余部分——他的双脚、膝盖和腰部——则不能,因为大熊座(The Bears)亲自禁止了这一切。不幸的仙后座(The Cassiepeia)也紧追着她孩子的身影而去。她不再端庄地闪耀在宝座上,连同双脚和膝盖在内,她像跳水者一样倒悬扎了下去,膝部以下分离开来;因为她当年挑战多里斯(Doris)和帕诺珀(Panope)并非没有付出代价。就这样,她被带向西方,而天穹则从下方将东方的其他星座带出:北冕座(The Crown)剩余的一半和长蛇座(The Hydra)的尾部,并抬升了半人马座(The Centaur)的躯干与头部,以及半人马右手所持的野兽(The Beast)。而半人马骑士的前蹄,正等待着射手座(The Bow)的升起。


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                          问:由于Re:0中出现了非常多星星的名字,虽然我原本就很喜欢星星,但现在观星变得更加愉快了。请问老师有喜欢的星星或星座吗?
                          答:我喜欢仙后座(Cassiopeia)。
                          《天象》:
                          Eastward his hapless wife, Cassiepeia, gleaming when by night the moon is full, wheels with her scanty stars. For few and alternate stars adorn her, which expressly mark her form with lines of light. Like the key of a twofold door barred within, wherewith men striking shoot back the bolts, so singly set shine her stars. But from her shoulders so faint she stretches a fathom’s length. Thou would’st say she was sorrowing over her daughter.
                          向东,她那不幸的妻子仙后座,在满月之夜闪烁着光芒,带着她那寥寥几颗星辰旋转。因为装饰她的星辰既稀疏又交替排列,这些星辰明确地用光线勾勒出她的轮廓。就像一扇向内锁闭的双扇门的钥匙,人们用它击打并推开门闩,她那些孤零零排列的星辰正是如此闪耀。但从她的双肩出发,她极其微弱地伸展出一噚的长度。你会说她正在为她的女儿哀伤。
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                          仙后座以五颗最亮的星组成一个非常独特的W形。阿拉托斯在诗中将仙后座α、β、γ、δ 和 ε 星比作钥匙
                          仙后座 + 满月+ 像双扇门的钥匙 + 为女儿哀伤(此处应有思考),联想关键词:大森林封印,莉亚,福尔图娜。福尔图娜这个名字也有命运的含义。这是否能让你联想到艾力欧尔大森林的封印及其那扇门?


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