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https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:A45_M6A2E1
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IP属地:江苏1楼2021-05-01 04:25回复
    @幻殇乌 @满城衣冠eM
    On July 28th, 1944, a little more than a week after the battle at Cagny, General Electric proposed a design project for the conversion of the M6 Heavy Tank to accept a larger gun. The initial concept was significantly different from what was built in metal. This mostly applies to the turret, which initially resembled a modified T25 medium tank turret. The turret received a larger bustle which also served as a counterweight. The 105 mm T5E1 gun required a 2032 mm wide turret ring.
    It was not enough to modernize the turret and install a bigger gun. The hull was also seriously altered. The Bureau of Ordnance was full of realists who realized that the size of the M6 made it a good target and that 80 mm of front armour was not enough.
    To solve this problem, the hull machinegun and driver's observation port were removed. An additional armoured plate was planned, which would bring up the tank's total armour to 182 mm. The driver's visibility drastically decreased, but tankers would certainly be willing to deal with that limitation for such armour. The side observation devices were also removed.
    这段就证明毛子在车体考证上放飞自我了
    The side observation devices were also removed. 车体侧面的两个观测车将同样被移除。然后白毛子和毛子都被那种线图带偏,保留了那对观测窗


    IP属地:江苏2楼2021-05-01 04:28
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      2026-08-27 14:51:26
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      The closure of the program did not mean that the M6A2E1 wouldn't be built at all. Barnes mentioned the T29 and T30 tanks. To speed up work, it was decided on August 22nd, 1944, to continue the modernization program, but limit it to two tanks. On December 16th, Continental Foundry & Machine Company received an order for two turrets to be installed on tanks and one to be used for gunnery trials.
      By then, work on the T29 began, which reflected on the M6A2E1's turret design. As mentioned above, the turret was initially an evolution of the Medium Tank T25 design. In the fall of 1944, it changed radically.
      First, due to its excessive mass, the sides were thinned out to 100 mm. Later, the overall design changed, making the roof welded. In February of 1945, that design was discarded. The tank got a new 4-man turret, as the round was separated into two pieces. This changed the layout of the turret and increased its size. In May of 1945, the turrets were finally made by Continental Foundry & Machine Company, having nothing in common with the original proposal.
      Rumours about the installation of a T29 tank's turret on the M6A2E1 chassis in May of 1945 have no basis in reality. The installed turrets were planned for the M6A2E1 all along. The T29 Heavy Tank received a completely new turret, even though it was an evolution of this design.
      According to documents, the tanks started their first trials in May of 1945. These tanks differed from the initial design not only in the turret, but in the hull. Since they would never see combat, the extra armour was not installed. The driver's observation device remained, but the hull machinegun was removed. Nevertheless, the tank's mass still grew to almost 70 tons. Even though initially the T5E1 was not meant to have a muzzle brake, trials showed that one was necessary.
      Trials continued in June. On June 7th, the first prototype arrived at Aberdeen for mobility trials. The second prototype was used to test the gun and ammunition. As for the turret, it started trials in May of 1945. In documents, it was called T29 (M6A2E1) Cast Turret, which likely confused several researchers.
      这段提到44年项目终止后批准继续造两辆出来用于t29和t30研发过程的辅助测试,最初炮塔造型应该是和44年其他项目那样从t25上的那个炮塔稍加修改,然后因为炮弹用了分装弹设计,在45年2月推翻了之前的炮塔设计从新搓了一个“T29”型炮塔,并在45年5月下线,同年六月送抵阿伯丁进行射击测试。甚至炮口制退器是在二号车抵达阿伯丁后增加的。同年八月提议上t30的那杆155炮,但被没进入实际操作。最终46年完成测试被送入阿伯丁停车场里等拆解。
      也就是说光是顶着现在大家认知中M6A2E1的炮塔,那就已经不是现实里44年7月提出的那个超级T1E1重型坦克了,在七月下了15个炮塔订单后8月18日这项目就直接被艾森豪威尔插手下令中止.....(但迷惑的是8月22日就又特批准许生产两辆)


      IP属地:江苏3楼2021-05-01 04:41
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        1944年8月,陆军建议厂方将最具升级潜力的T1E1实验型重型战车进行进一步升级改造工作,最终定型为M6A2重战车。T1E1重战车的升级改造计划包括在车体正面安装附加装甲,同时装配一个新型炮塔以容纳105mm主炮。
        改造后的第一批共两辆M6A2E1在实地测试中的机动性能表现极其糟糕:即便测试中使用的战车并不是M6A2E1的最终装配状态(测试用战车全重70吨,完整的M6A2E1车体全重77吨),这辆战车依旧无法爬上24度倾角的缓坡,在测试中直接陷在地里动弹不得。而另一辆进行火力测试的试验车则被认定炮塔和火炮结构需要根本性的结构补强才能胜任105mm主炮的后坐力——这一结构改进最终被应用至后来的T29重战车上。鉴于测试表现,BLW基于M6重坦开发的全部三型实验型重战车方案均宣告失败。两辆M6A2E1被拆解回炉,仅有一辆T1E1重战车幸存,目前保存在阿伯丁的美国陆军兵器博物馆公开展览
        毛子的春秋笔法直接跳过了这项目虽然是8月出了初步设计,但实际上在8月底就已经被毙了的实情。并且依旧搞混了这车和T29项目的关系@满城衣冠eM @幻殇乌


        IP属地:江苏4楼2021-05-01 04:45
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          厂商大饼

          刚抵达阿伯丁的T29伴生婆,可以看到文章里提到的没有炮口制退器的状态


          IP属地:江苏5楼2021-05-01 04:49
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            @184448033 你是咋保留数字ID的


            IP属地:江苏6楼2021-05-01 04:58
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              https://warspot.ru/5355-tyazhyolyy-golovastik
              斯拉夫大手子兼电玩考证乐子人尤里的文章


              IP属地:江苏7楼2021-05-01 05:00
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                .ru就算了


                IP属地:河南8楼2021-05-01 08:47
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                  2026-08-27 14:45:26
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                  等新赛季就知道这车值不值了,不值就市场买,值就买季票


                  IP属地:中国10楼2021-05-02 17:51
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